[raebakat] sup
folks
[raebakat] is
this tech support, I guess?
[+Alexendoo] That it is raebakat
[raebakat] Alright.
my question is a bit specific, but I'm trying to get alien isolation to work on
vmware fusion, the guest OS is windows 8.1. for some reason the installation
doesn't like my graphics card, even though I have 2048mb allocated to the VM
[raebakat] Anyone
know anything about graphics sharing in guest operating systems? I can give any
technical specs if needed.
[raebakat] If
no one can answer my question, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions as to
where I might be able to find help.
[raebakat] Anyway,
now that GreyGoose has stirred up the lurkers, does anyone know anything about
running games in VMs?
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
I know it's a bad idea.
[raebakat] lol
Kumorigoe thanks. I can't seem to find anyone who will help me instead of
saying "wtf are you doing that for?"
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
that should tell you something.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
the problem is, PCs suck. terribly. worst operating system on the market. yet,
they are still needed because there is so much proprietary software etc.
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
uh, what?
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
you want to elaborate on your PC comment?
[raebakat] lol
Kumorigoe not really, my opinion is highly unpopular.
[Kumorigoe] I'm
curious as to what you think running games in a VM would make better.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
not having to drop the additional 1k to buy a PC that can run games...
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
you don't know much about PCs, do you?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
I use them all the time...
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
so you want to get a cheap PC, and then run games in a VM?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
I have an expensive mac, with more than the hardware required to run PC games.
I am looking for the most viable means of running them.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
I'd ideally not like to buy a separate PC for gaming.
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
have you never heard of Boot Camp?
[+Alexendoo] raebakat,
Boot camp?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yeah, boot camp is really fucked up for windows 8 and later
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
according to who?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
apple is essentially not supporting it, the drivers are all messed up
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
my experience with it, as well as talking to apple employees. I had my VM as a
bootcamp partition, but I got a new computer, so I turned it in to a VM file
[raebakat] because
I didn't want to lose the data
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
no backups?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
uh, that's a nightmare
[Kumorigoe] Really?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yeah
[Kumorigoe] I
manage it.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
you have done it before? transferred a bootcamp partition to a new HD?
[Kumorigoe] No, I
meant backing up data before replacing a machine.
[Kumorigoe] Also,
Boot Camp is not the same thing as a VM.
[Kumorigoe] You
seem to be mixing those up.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yeah, I can do that with a .vdmk file in fusion, but to partition a new HD and
put the information from bootcamp on it rarely works well
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
uh, no I'm not
[Kumorigoe] "
I had my VM as a bootcamp partition, but I got a new computer, so I turned it
in to a VM file"
[Kumorigoe] At any
rate, why not just back up the data to an external drive, then redo the OSs
from scratch?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
I had my (currently) vm as a bootcamp partition, so I transformed the data on
the partition into a .vdmk file for fusion.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
and you can't back them up to the same drive, because it would have to be
formatted differently
[+Alexendoo] You
shouldn't be backing up to the same drive anyway raebakat
[+Alexendoo] But
even still, what?
[Kumorigoe] So
back up the Windows side, then properly set either a Boot Camp partition for
dual boot, or a VM using fusion.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yeah it can be done, but you need software like winclone.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
I figured it would be easier to use vmware, since my comp has the technical
specs to run both OSs at the same time
[raebakat] plus,
VMware advertises that they support 3d graphics
[raebakat] and
direct
[raebakat] *directx
[Kumorigoe] So
you're saying that you can't boot into your existing VM, plug in a hard drive,
and copy data from it?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
of course I can, I don't see how that is relevant though...
[%NOC] Skullchaos:
I have never put on a custom GPU fan assembly and do not
[Kumorigoe] You
don't see how that's relevant to backing up data?
[+Alexendoo] raebakat,
Because that's what a backup is? o.o
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
I was talkinga bout backing up bootcamp, not a VM
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
and why I am using vmware instead of bootcamp currently, per your question
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
let me ask you a question.
[Kumorigoe] What
are the specs of this Macbook Pro?
[raebakat] 3.0
GHz intel i7, 16GB ram, 512 TB SSD, intel iris graphics
[Kumorigoe] Ok. Now, tell me why Windows would run poorly on
that hardware?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
it shouldn't...
[Kumorigoe] Because
I can build a machine with those same specs, or very close to it.
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
here's what I'm getting at. You're
already running PC hardware. If you want
to play games, it will work MUCH better installing Windows directly to a
partition on your drive using Boot Camp than running it as a VM.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yeah, but that uses up valuable SSD space, requires rebooting, and a whole
bunch of other stuff that probably isn't worth it just to run a few games. I'm
really hoping to get a solution that doesn't require that.
[Kumorigoe] And a
VM doesn't take up any SSD space?
[Big_Brother] uh...what
Kumorigoe ?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yeah, because I can run it from an external drive
[Kumorigoe] Wow.
[@Big_Brother] run
a VM from an external?
[@Big_Brother] *shudder*
[raebakat] lol
Big_Brother
[@Big_Brother] damn
things are slow enough.
[Kumorigoe] It's
like you're running down a checklist of how to make your PC gaming experience
as bad as possible.
[raebakat] rofl
[raebakat] let's
try something else then
[raebakat] how
about wineskin?
[Kumorigoe] How
much did this Mac cost again?
[Big_Brother] Kumorigoe:
is this guy serious?
[Kumorigoe] Apparently.
[raebakat] rofl.
at least I'm entertaining you guys, being the typical macfag
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
you're going the wrong direction.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
then please point me in the right direction?
[Kumorigoe] I
already did. You don't like that option.
[Kumorigoe] Why
not get a bigger SSD, then?
[@Big_Brother] a....bootable....external...partition....
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yeah I probably will, I'm just being a whiny bitch
[@Big_Brother] sounds
stable and blazing fast.
[Kumorigoe] You
can get a 512GB Crucial MX100 SSD for a little over $200.
[Kumorigoe] And
since you already dropped how much on that Mac?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
lulz about 2k
[Kumorigoe] Yeah.
[Kumorigoe] And it
came with HOW big of an SSD?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
512
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
its already almost full... X.X
[Kumorigoe] Wait,
is this a Retina model?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
yup
[Kumorigoe] Well,
you're fucked, then.
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
how so?
[Kumorigoe] Because
you can't use a standard 2.5" drive, that's why.
[Kumorigoe] Because
Apple, in their everlasting chase for thin-privilege, decided to go with a
proprietary flash-based SSD format.
[@Big_Brother] you're
basically boned on internal storage on the mac tho
[@Big_Brother] why
are you running a VM on a mac?
[@Big_Brother] why
not just bootcamp or parallels?
[raebakat] well,
I use windows programs for work stuff
[@Big_Brother] ok...
[raebakat] I
have parallels
[raebakat] I
can use that too
[@Big_Brother] you
have bootcamp too
[@Big_Brother] there's
no need for a VM
* raebakat
observes that ironically, this chat isn't tech support at all
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
really? How so?
[raebakat] Kumorigoe
because you seek to change the parameters of the problem rather than seek a
solution
[Kumorigoe] raebakat,
you locked yourself into a set of parameters when you chose your hardware.
[@Big_Brother] ^
[Kumorigoe] And
because of the issues you've had, you have a misinformed opinion about PC
gaming and Windows.
[Kumorigoe] As
evidenced by your quote, "the problem is, PCs suck. terribly. worst
operating system on the market. yet, they are still needed because there is so
much proprietary software etc."
[+Alexendoo] ]proprietary
(uses a mac)
[Kumorigoe] Now,
I'm not sure whether you've been a long-time Mac user, or are just especially susceptible
to their marketing.
[Kumorigoe] Yeah,
that was also amusing.
[@Big_Brother] LOL
WUT
[Kumorigoe] At any
rate, what you're wanting to do, while technically *possible*, will do nothing
except reinforce your flawed perceptions of everything not silver and
expensive.
[Kumorigoe] I'm
not trying to "change the parameters" of the problem. I'm trying to *free your mind*.